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in washington? >>> president obama presses the case for tax hikes on the rich, and the tax cut extension for the middle class, now. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> but republicans aren't budging, accusing the president of avoiding tough choices on spending and wasting time in the effort to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> it's not a serious proposal. and so right now, we're almost nowhere. >> will there be a deal by the end of the year? and what are the consequences for the economy if there isn't one? we'll ask the president's lead budget negotiator, treasury secretary tim geithner. >>> then the view from capitol hill. are democrats as divided over cutting medicare as republicans are over tax increases? with us, two voices calling for compromise. republican senator bob corker of tennessee and democratic senator claire mccaskill of missouri. >>> finally, our special economic roundtable. as both sides battle over the nation's fiscal health, what can we expect from the economy in a second obama term? w
>> you know, we should be playing the baeleatles, tax man take a walk and i'll tax your feet. welcome to tax eeerything america. good morning, everyone. income, dividend, interest, deductions, all financial transactions, granny's new hip, your mortgage interest. as we start the week it's all about raising taxes not cutting spending. tax everything. but there are rich people who will avoid the obama tax increases the board of directors at costco will get a huge tax windfall by paying themselves a big dividend this year. and jim senegal, charlie monger, bill gates' father all on the board in favor of taxing the rich, really? and the debate on guns front and center. that murder-suicide involving the kansas city linebacker brings on the call for gun control and the possibility of head injuries in football and drugs and alcohol. all right, everybody, monday morning, "varney & company" about to begin. [ male announcer ] this is steve. he loves risk. but whether he's climbing everest, scuba ding the great rrier reef with sharks, or jumping into the marke he goes with people he trus,
and they send one of pier that calls for over one half trillion in new taxes, calls for not even $400 billion in cuts and this extra spenng that is greater than the amount they're willing to get. but not a serious proposal. lou: senate minority leader writing a little easier in the midst of what is at best a process. he burst into laughter when treasury secretary presented the president's plan. the president, meanwhile, showing no sign of interest initiation, giving no sign he is ready to makeany significant step toward resolving the impasse. president obama cast himself as santa claus i a campaign style rally. his comfort zone, while blasting republicans and reminding them, he will not forget who stood in his late on tax increases. >> of course santa delivers everywhere. i have been keeping my ow money and nice list for washington. visiting towns like this. >> president obama got his wish rather than negotiating with republicans he was simmering them back on the campaign tail at a factory in pennsylvania that makes angry brds toys. >> it's not acceptable to me, and i don't think it's accepta
-end tax time. we'll have important advice. >>> and he went from living on the street to living in the lap of luxury. john paul dejoria's remarkable ride. you went from homeless to a billionaire. the "wall street journal report" begins right now. >> here's a look at what is making news as we head to a new week on wall street. in washington, posturing politics and high-stakes poker with america's economy at stake. president obama's initial offer on the fiscal cliff was resoundingly rejected by republicans. it included a $1.6 trillion tax increase, double what he campaigned on. also included $400 billion in entitlement cuts eliminating the need for congressional approval to a raise the debt ceiling. the markets rebounded later in the week following the latest hopes on a fiscal cliff agreement. america's economy grew at a faster pace than initially expected in the third quarter of the year. the second reading of the gross domestic product showed it at rate of 2.7% spurred by stronger inventories and exports. the securities and exchange commission is looking for a new chairman. mary shapirp sc
of a government-insured reverse mortgage. it will eliminate your monthly mortgage payments and give you tax-free cash from the equity in your home. and here's the best part -- you still own your home. take control of your retirement today. ♪ ♪ well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. >>neil: and if republicans thought there was wiggle room in the white house tax position no less than treasury secretary geithner put that to rest. >> rates and revenues, tax rates, tax rates, tax rates. higher rates. rates go up. tax rate increases. higher rates. rates will we have to go you. rating rates. tax rates going up. >>neil: we will have a quiz. what was he saying? a lot? that is the administration's way saying tax rates or take a hike. >>guest: the president is in an ideological position and geithner who is famous for not paying taxes is perfectly happy to carry white house water on capitol hill and on the tv shows and this, really
, accelerating all three quarters into one lump sum this calendar year before the proposed tax hikes would kick in for shareholders. that will be a total of 18 cents per share. again, their fiscal second, third and fourth quarter dividends that would have been all been paid in calendar 2013 will be paid out on december 21st. the next opportunity for the board to consider and approve a dividend will be after the earnings results for the fist quarter disturb first quarter, and that will be on august be 1st -- 31st. again, they're going to fast forward three quarters' worth of dividends, pay them out to shareholders now against possible higher dividend taxes in the new year. >> very interesting. david: it's taken at least three-quarters of a year e and putting it into this year. let me go to mark sebastian again. you have telegraphed that a lot of this thing was going to happen, but there's one stock that you very tantalizingly suggest may be about to do the same, and that is apple. tell us about what you've heard that apple might be dealing with dividends this way. >> absolutely. well, you know,
, since the invention of the income tax. there has always been a deduction for interest that you paid. the government didn't think it could distinguish between mortgage interest and other kinds of interest. less interest is deductible now. some of the things are left over from the early days of the tax code. there is no magic about allowing people to deduct mortgage interest and not the interest they pay on their credit cards. some of these things are hard to explain. host: does it incentivize home buying? guest: it does provide some if incentive for buying a home and is a large tax break and gives them an enormous benefits. it mostly provides an incentive for buying a bigger house. it seems to incentivize mcmansions. there is a fair question of whether that is something we should be spending that much money on. host: let's go to ohio, robert is a democrat. caller: yes, my question is this. a question/comment. i have seen all these outbreaks been giving out. supposedly they were created for an incentive for them to hire more people. they were given as four years and years. a majority
. ♪ >> chris: the president is demanding higher tax rates. congressional republicans want deeper spending would you tell us and entitlement reform. will they make a deal before we bring in the new year with a round of tax increases for all of us? we'll ask the two men at the center of the negotiations, where we really stand. for the president, treasury secretary timothy geithner, for the g.o.p., house speaker john boehner. geithner and boehner, only, on fox news sunday. >>> plus we have seen this movie before. the two parties edging closer and closer to the brink. we'll ask our sunday panel whether we'll get a happy ending for an economic disaster. >>> and our power player of the week, a young beauty queen has to make a tough choice, all, right now on fox news sunday. ♪ >> chris: and, hello again from fox news in washington. well, we had quite a day around here, friday. with talks to avoid the fiscal cliff deadlock and everyone saying, the other side is to blame, treasury secretary geithner scheduled a round of interviews, then, friday afternoon, speaker boehner's office called to say he want
wants a $1.6 trillion tax increase, 50 billion and stimulus spending. and the white house has the ability to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval. a very big deal for folks there. today, the president is out there, trying to drum up support among the public. not in washington or with congress or the senate. here is what he had to say. >> it is not acceptable to me, and i do not think it is acceptable to you for a handful of republicans in congress will middle-class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on pper income folks go up. gerri: it sounds like the same old, same old. the president has been making the same comments agai is this any way to sell a plan? >> there really is not. the president is not being serious about this. the fact that the president is out there campaigning on this rather than negotiating, it means that those that are negotiating, such as secretary geithner, they probably don't feel bound by what the president is saying. this is the first gammons and certainly not a serious offer. >> mitch mcconnell laughed out loud o
percents of americans to pay more in tax after having 12 years of a special tax break, which was only supposed to be temporary. if you say yes vote for me. mitt romney says, no, we are going to caudle, protect that top 2%. we are not going to raise their taxes. so if you say no, vote for me. that was a choice. the american people overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly, margin of 5 million, voted for president obama. john boehner is acting as if we never had an election in the first place and the election doesn't mean anything. is the senator has passed a tax break and john boehner is saying no, we will let 98% of americans pay $2,000 more in taxes. we will give a tax increase. we will raise taxes on 98% of americans unless you give us another tax break for our buddies and millionaires and billionaires, the top 2% in the country. you can't blame even mitch mcconnell any more. it's john boehner who is standing in the way. he did so again the republicans give this babble. the president says what's your plan? what do you want to cut? close loopholes. what loo
do a rock launch page. molly, let's chat with you. there was a city hearing about applying hotel tax to your rentals. tell us about what happened. >> last wednesday, the tax collector called a hearing to discuss the applicability of the transient occupancy tax to short-term rentals and operators. we were concerned about this tax and its applicability to airbnb and our community. they showed up in great numbers at the hearing. our main concern is that we vote regularly to increase our own taxes. i do not think any of us are completely opposed to taxes. our concern is the tax code was written in 1961, long before the sharing economy existed, the internet, and the new thing we call airbnb. something that was written for corporate hotels and guests should not be applied to something that is entirely new, to permanent residents of san francisco who are occasionally renting out a couch or bedroom to a visitor, with whom the form great lasting friendships quite often. we announced that the entire city family take time to think about whether the existing laws should apply to the new activity
position before the election, and you lost. mitt romney campaigned on keeping the tax cuts for the wealthy, and he lost. and he promised to do what john bain ser doing right now, and he lost. how about some respect for the electorate? how about seeing what the 2012 presidential debate was about? obama championed tax fairness and won. republicans championed protecting that 2%, ignoring the 47% he talked about, and they lost. today boehner said he's willing to raise revenues by the same amount he agreed to back in august of 2011, the last time they had this fight. again, he's willing to act like the election never happened. no wonder. again, he lost. joining me is joy reid of the grio and howard fineman of the "huffington post." joy, you're chuckling because it is weirdly true. it's almost like groundhog day, this guy, boehner, ice not a bad guy, but he's operating on a bad thought here. the election didn't happen. >> it's incredible. it's amazing watching john boehner reach for anything, simpson/bowles which, by the way, assumed that the tax cuts for the top 2% would be gone, but he forgets
, this is almost by design. i mean, policy makers designed the tax cuts to expire. they had spending cuts that were set to kick in. it all came together on january 1, 2013. to a large degree it was by design. the pressure of this generated a desert shield and that's the hooker. >> schieffer: but nobody thought either the white house or congress would be stupid enough to let all of this happen but here we are-- >> no, no, in my view, this is sticking soscript. this is exactly the way i think everybody thought it would go. they come together january 1, 2013 aprosmed, the pressure would begin to mount, wall street would begin to get nervous, presidencies would get nervous. we see groups like maya's group form because they don't want to see us go over the cliff. this is exactly, i think, what everyone anticipated. i am not panicked in the sense at the end-- >> schieffer: you think they'll actually do something. >> absolute, because if they don't-- >> schieffer: beyond kicking it down the road? >> absolute. if they don't address these issues, if they don't scale back the cliff and raise the debt ceiling
, timothy geithner blaming republicans saying they have to raise taxes in order to avoid going over the cliff. rich edson in washington with the latest, rich? >> they are stuck on this offer, which the white house says is less of an offer and the same position the administration staked out in its jobs bill and deficit proposal over the last couple years. half trillion in tax increases or trillion and a half in tax increases, $600 billion in spending cuts, more spending, and a permanent increase in the debt ceiling. on fox news sunday, boehner called that deal a joke. >> just flabbergasted. i looked, and said, you can't be serious? i just never seen anything like it. we got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. three of those weeks have been wasted with the nonsense. >> okay. you heard them, the first time in two decades now, acknowledge they want revenues up as the balanced plan, a good first steppedded, but they have to say what they do operates and revenues. that's hard for republicans. >> runs of billions of spending cuts, tax increases begin in less than a mo
getting rid of the bush tax cuts for the upper income? you know the key point from the campaign? in a letter to the president, gop leaders said they will continue to oppose and will not agree to them. in fact, they propose not to raise tax rates for the wealthy but to lower them. that's from speaker boehner who said this about the president's plan. >> i was flabbergasted. i looked at him and said, you can't be serious. i've just never seen anything like it. >> never seen anything like it? the president won the election on that premise. but speaker boehner he seemses to have forgotten that. >> they must have forgot and then republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is, roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> speaker boehner claimses he's looking for common ground. but right now he's not even in the right ballpark. his problem is that the political ground has shifted for him and his tea partyiers. joining me now is michelle cottle, washington correspondent for "
plan contains 800 billion in new taxes, half of what the president was looking for. more importantly, the gop plan keep tax rates the way they are now. we know that is a deal maker for the tie-breaker for the presidents. joining me now, the man some democrats blame for the fiscal cliff impasse, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. and the many and as a finger to about fixing it, michael reagan, founder of the reagan group. i want to start with the republicans plan that they put on the table. they have been accused of doing nothing and all. they come up with their own plan which includes 800 billion in revenue from closing loopholes and eliminating deductions and then 1 billion in spending cuts. it is being rejected from the get go by democrats. grover, what do you say? >> i think the republicans had a very good plan called lorraine budget. they all voted for it in the house. it saves $6 trillion over the same decade, and they did not raise taxes and all. i really think of the president is not interested in compromising, and not sure it is wise with the republicans
, and new tax revenues. there was a three page letter signed by speaker boehner, majority leader eric cantor, and other senior republicans including representative paul ryan. and this mornings "washington journal," we heard about tax reductions and credits that would go away if the fiscal cliff passes in january. >> board or series looking into the so-called fiscal cliff, we turn our attention to deductions and tax loopholes. some of them are potentially on the chopping block. joining us from the wall street journal is don mckinnon. thanks so much for joining us today. what are the loopholes and deductions? we hear those words a lot, but what are they? guest: loopholes or tax breaks of all different sorts, and whether you like a particular loophole or not depends on where you sit, i guess. there are lots of loopholes that are deductions. deductions are those that most people are familiar with. the big, itemized deductions are things like the home mortgage interest deduction. there is a deduction for state and local taxes that is very important, the deduction for charitable contributions is r
for taxes. >> could have been for taxes, but,,and the but is very important, if there's a frame work december 31st at midnight, it will be just that. the markets will, i think, react predictly, and that's not positive. if there's a recession because there's not a tax plan, we'll be hurt. >> that's the wild card; right? how the markets reagent to it because we don't know. >> we don't. >> impossible to predict. they could sell off. going over the cliff for a week or two is not the end of the world if there's a deal done, if you request remove potential market reaction. >> employers are not hiring. story after story about small businessmen with obamacare and uncertainties, i'm not going to invest. >> will they get it done? i'm with lori, it was a lot of show and gamesmanship. >> i think there's going to be a frame work achieved, but not meaningful debt or deficit reduction, no reform to entitlements, and i don't think there's tax reform. there's a deal in form, but i think there's more to get done. >> are we done? >> ask another if you want. >> do they really have to raise taxes? people
$800 billion in savings through tax reform with no tax rate hikes. john boehner blasting the president's, quote, la la land offer. that just moments after the president took his plan to the people answering questions about the fiscal cliff on twitter, and with less than a month to go, the white house dispatched treasury secretary tim geithner to five sunday talk shows to declare tax rates on the wealthy are going up one way or another. >> if the republicans say, sorry, no way are we going to raise rates on the wealthy. you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> it republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a the a time when the american economy was doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> while geithner was drawing a line in the sand, house speaker john boehner was busy trying to lift his jaw off the flar after geithner presented the president's debt reduction plans to him last week. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i have just never seen anythi
the bush tax cuts for the middle class. the latest from stephanie cutter includes a two-minute video reminding voters that the president campaign and won on that same platform. >> obama: we need to give tax relief to working families trying to raise their kids to keep them healthy send them to college, keep a roof over their heads. that's the choice in this election. >> the administration is still asking you to send in stories about what being able to keep about $2,000 more a year means to you and your family. the president is planning to meet with state governors this week and the business roundtable, a big business lobbying group. this morning fiscal cliff negotiations appear to be at a stand still. treasury secretary tim geithner says the president's offer is unwavering. we're going to let tax rates go up for top earners and republicans will have to work with that reality. >> there is no responsible way we can govern this country with those low rates in place for future generations. those rates are going to ha
before. >> lunch at the white house whitemitt. who will dare to break the no tax hike pledge? >> republicans who voted against the no tax hike pledged damage the brand for everyone else. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> thomas jefferson said the purpose of government is to enable the people of the nation to live in safety and happiness. jefferson said americans would be ok if they could keep the government from wasting their labors under the pretense of taking care of them. what is your government doing for you today? is it preparing to drive itself over a cliff like thelma and louise? >> despite the claim that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> if we go over the cliff, you are going to have a slowdown in economic growth of at least a 4%. that puts us back into recession, meaning 2 million people lose their jobs, unemployment goes to 9%. >> th
conversations] [laughter] we are talking about what extent a middle-class tax breaks for me to middle-class families. today at 2:00 p.m., people can ask the president questions on twitter with the hash tag my 2k. after that, this come in this afternoon from the president has a bilateral meeting with the prime minister of bulgaria and this is an important relationship with bulgaria. the president will deliver a speech about 4:00 p.m. commemorating the 20th anniversary of the threat reduction program, which as you know, was authored by richard lugar. it has resulted in a regime that allows us to achieve our the president's highest priorities, and that is to secure safety around the world. it is important have to remember that when it comes to these kinds of objectives, democrats and republicans, we can come together and see very important things come and the president looks forward to this. we also want you extend our congratulations to the duke and duchess of cameras that they are expecting their first child. >> i haven't had that conversation with them. in another they feel that havin
the full ginsberg with taped appearances on all five shows. nothing will happen until budget tax rates and the ball is now in their court. >> the only thing that stands in the way of a deal right now is if a group of republican members decide there have been a block because they can't afford the wealthiest 2% of americans. >> how much is theater and how much are the two sides locked into positions that remain far apart? the president's plan called for higher tax rates on the wealthiest americans to the tune of $1.6 trillion over ten years along with the combination of new spending and some spending cuts. mitch mcconnell said he, quote, burst into laughter. still, the white house is making it clear until the republicans counteroffer. >> we didn't say how or how much or who should pay. >> there are a lot of items on the table. the president knows what they are. the question is, what are they willing to do? >> at midnight the clock runs out. taxes will go up on everybody. and republicans will instead be in a position of voting against middle class tax cuts. democrats bring such a bill to
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. timothy depite gite saying we'll raise taxes 1.6 trillion and washington will increase taxes on capitol gains and we would like to say we like the power to raise the debt ceiling any time we want for the executive branch which is unconstitutional. >> steve: it is not 39 or 35 percent. all nonstarters in the world of negotiation. >> gretchen: two things to discuss. why is it tim geithner doing the discussions inted of the president of the united states. let me know if you have an answer for that. and the reason they are asking for this stuff. this is the way negotiations work when you win the presidency. you are walking around with your chest puffed up. this week, nothing will happen. until you cum come up right to the cliff. >> brian: this president is making a mockery of negotiations. he offered a initial trike with under 30 days until the cliff happens . sos the unserious attempt to get anything done. republicans ippedicated we will raise revenue. but the nuggets that are inside and his decision to go to pennsylvania and talk to a tinker toy and scrooge and coal in your pocket is an i
gains tax or dividend tax as opposed to much higher because we know that taxes will probably go higher in 2013. oracle is accelerating payments of 2013 dif dens. they're going to pay second quarter, third quarter and fourth quarter dividends this month. gordon, what has that done to trading and investing environment? all these special dividends. oracle is doing it now, second quarter, third quarter dividends this month so investors can get taxed at the 2012 dividend rate. >> it's bigger than that because it's not only the corporation themselves but corporate executives. cashing out options looking for preferential tax treatment there as well. that's just prudent corporate management. you can't fault them. stocks paying special dividends have been outperforming the spx in the time period since this started happening. in some ways in the convoluted way it's been a positive for the market. >> oracle is down, though o this news. >> oracle is down right now. gordon, you make a really good point. that's where the performance has been, the conditions paying these special dividends. when i see
the average middle-class family would have to pay about $2,000 a year more in taxes. house speaker john bain of lands the stalemate on the obama administration. he says they are not taking republicans seriously and plans to close loopholes and lit it deductions without raising taxes. >> i realize of the president may not agree but if there is another way to get revenue from upper income americans that doesn't ruin our economy why don't we consider it? >> we won them to tell the american why they won't do it. >> the democratic controlled senate has are the agreed to extend the bush tax cuts for incomes under $250,000 but let the other tax cut expire. it is predicted their rugby at least a short-term deal released before the end of the year. >> of when it comes to a president's second inauguration at the crowd tends to be smaller. that will be the case again this january. the cross the present obama as inauguration on january 21st will be close to 800,000. that is the estimate right now. that is down quite a bit from the 1.8 million people crowded the national mall and 2008. >> i think that is
time ago saying he'll answer questions about the cliff, his proposal and pending tax hikes on the official white house twitter feed. press secretary jay carney insisted the white house is still optimistic it can reach a deal with congressional republicans. >> there has been progress, and we can achieve a bipartisan agreement. the obstacle remains at this point the refusal to acknowledge by republican leaders that there is no deal that achieves the kind of balance that is necessary without raising rates on the top 2%. >> and there are just 29 days to go for the two parties to find some sort of middle ground, and joining me now from the white house nbc news correspondent kristen welker. what's the back story on this it twitter q and a for the president, which should start any minute now? >> reporter: that's right. this is part of president obama's full court press to get the public on board to pressure republicans to sign on to his plan to increase taxes for those making $250,000 or more. he had his first twitter town hall in 2011 when he answered questions about jobs and the
to the historic building over the next 10 years for a tax break. >>> supervisors will occur plans to chose four more fire stations. the chief says it is necessary after a failure of a partial tax hike to fund the district. they are looking at closing four to save $3 million. san jose's police chief says he will decide, before he leaves office next month, to allow expanded gaming at the casino card club. the owners want to open more tables on the 8th floor. the 15 million facility. the owners are suing the city for holding up permits to open up the club earlier this year. >> the the supreme court could announce tomorrow if it will hear appeals on several cases involved same sex marriage. one is an appeal from the defenders of proposition 8. the initiative banning gay marriage that has been struck down in lower courts. in the invests decide to let the rulings of the lower court stand same sex marriage will be legal in california. >>> five challenges to the defense -- five challenges of the defensive marriage act are being challenged. >>> no sign of a compromise on the taxes. the treasure secreta
minister of italy, he comes out with a package two thirds tax hikes, one third tax cuts. and i remember saying do you think this will work, they're raising the v.a.t. tax and i understand italian household debt isn't that high, but they were trying to tax their way out of a massive debt problem and in fact receipts went down, consumption fell to 4.25 annualized rate and the situation got much worse. today italy has zero nominal gdp grets. and they're funding at 4.5%. that is a bad business model. spain same story. so when you bnk our package and what's been offered so are far which appears like $1.6 trillion in tax hikes against $400 billion of entitlement cuts over time, that's an even worse mix than the two-thirds/one-third european structure that really has gotten a negative reaction. >> how much is because of the mix and how much of it just this is what austerity looks like? >> is the money in capping deductions or raising marginal tax rates? it's in capping deductions. but that's tough because you have to tell someone no like the housing lobby or charitable contributions. >> cappin
republicans are still in disagreement over how to reduce the deficit and avoid a raft of tax hikes and spending cuts. yesterday our own jim cramer and maria bartiromo were on "meet the press" and cramer had a message for fellow panelists and father of the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. >> most ceos are republican. they're on board. they're not on board with you. they're not on board with you because they fear your view. they think you do not favor going -- you favor going over the cliff. that's what they think. they think that you favor -- >> just for the record since we're on tv. that's silly if they think that they shouldn't be ceos. >> it doesn't really matter. that's what they think. >> i want you to walk me up to that moment. >> behind the record. i like that too. >> i'm stuck. like grover is stuck with this pledge he made everybody take which is that they have to go over the cliff because they obviously will not ever say the word tax. they will only say revenue. i'm stuck speaking to many more ceos than grover norquist is. he thinks it's silly. he thinks ceos are silly. i
. spending cut and tax increases that both sides mean would mean recession. after what both sides called a frustrating weekend. today's development don't appear to break a log jam. not yet. ed henry begins our coverage. >> reporter: good evening. they are saying the plan is ridiculous, so much so they will not offer counterproposal to the g.o.p. counterproposal and say tonight unless speaker boehner gives in on raising taxes on the rich, the president is ready to go off the cliff. >> right now i'd say we are nowhere, period. nowhere. >> john boehner declaring a stalemate in an exclusive with fox, as republicans teed off on president obama first offer that included new spending plus 1.6 trillion in tax hikes. totally unacceptable. >> i think we are going over the cliff. it's clear to me they made political calculation. white house officials insisted disaster could be amended and demanded a counter offer on the table. >> what we hope for is specificity from the republicans. >> an hour later, boehner did that. oftenning $800 billion in new tax revenue without raising rates. half what the pr
the called fiscal cliff of mandatory tax increases and spending cuts is to you just 30 days away. but judging by today's talk in washington democrats and republicans are hardly any closer to finding a solution. here's anna werner. >> reporter: a week closer to the december 31st deadline, treasury secretary timothy geithner told bob schieffer any potential deal will have to include a tax hike on the upper 2% of income earners. >> there is no way to raise a meaningful amount of revenue relative to the size of our fiscal challenge by just limiting the value of deductions for the wealthiest americans. >> reporter: he said the biggest obstacle is republicans who refuse to acknowledge that fact. >> there's nothing that stands in the way of that agreement. except for the potential risk that a group of republicans decide, they hold up an agreement because they want to extend tax cuts for the wealthiest that we can't afford. >> reporter: on fox news 2 sunday speaker john boehner was not optimistic. >> i would say we're nowhere. period. we're nowhere. >> reporter: earlier this week house gop members re
tax bracket as of yet. there's no mustard on there, is there? i'll see you in a little bit, mr. barnicle. thank you, john. "morning joe" starts right now. >>> i think they won the election. they must have forgotten that republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground, and we need to find it quickly. >> good morning. it's monday, december the 3rd here in new york city. the christmas tree all lit up. with us on set, msnbc contributor mike barnicle, pulitzer prize-winnering historian jon meacham, author of "thomas jefferson." "fortune's" assistant managing editor leigh gallagher and political analyst, former chairman of the rnc, michael steele. and i'm willie geist. joe and mika have the day off today. there's so much to talk about, but we do have to begin with the ties, if we could. it's not just mike. mike's getting all the focus here this morning, and that is inexcusable. >> could i just say, in the words of speaker john boehner, we need to find common grou
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. reach edson with the very latest. rich: $800 billion in revenue increases through a tax overhaul. republicans are still opposed to any tax rate increases in this plan. in a show bipartisanship, republicans say they have co-opt these details from a plant bernsen bowls offered last year. in this letter to the president, republican leaders right this is by no means an adequate long-term solution. it will require fundamental entitlement reform. indeed, though both plant is the exact type of imperfect, but fair one without hurting our economy and creating jobs. today, the white house has demanded an offer from republicans. they now have one. back to you. llri: rich edson, and he thinks. the market is taking a breather today. dupont and 3m are the biggest draggers on the dow. early stocks rising out of the gate out of some good news out of china over the night. hitting a seven month high, but then the u.s. isf number hit at 10:00 a.m. eastern and a wave of selling. manufacturing activity contracted in november. they say the factory index came in at 49.5 in november. down from almost 52
, though, seem to be at a stalemate. yesterday with just 29 days until tax hikes and deep spending cuts kick in. both republicans and the democrats were running to the airwaves to try to explain their positions. here's what they said. >> what we're not going to do is extend those tax cuts with the wealthiest americans. those cost a trillion dollars over ten years and there's no possibility that we're going to find a way to get our fiscal house in order without those tax rates going back up. >> nobody wants to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making the concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> the administration has presented a plan that calls for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenues. $400 billion in cuts to medicare and other entitlements. $50 billion for a new stimulus and congress would have to give up control over raising the debt limit. republicans have indicated that they want to raise revenue by lowering tax deductions, haven't given any
on taxes for americans. >> he remains optimistic despite harsh words. >> with the clock ticking in washington and the fiscal cliff looming, he says the white house will only agree to a plan that including higher tax rates. >> if they are going me -- to force higher rates on all americans because their tax rates go up on 2% of americans, that's a choice we'll have to make. >> one1.6 trillion in tax revenue, cuts to medicare. he insists the bush era tax cuts must expire. >> what we did is put forward a very comprehensive, mix of savings and tax reforms that help us put us back on a path to stabilizing our death and living within our means. >> rebel cans did not welcome -- republicans did not welcome the proposal. >> i think it's essentially a rerun of his revenue proposals. they are 1.6 trillion in revenues and tax increases. >> and they're expressing frustration with the lack of progress. >> i would say we're nowhere. he's pointing out the administration did offer six hundred billion in cuts to healthcare. he remains optimistic a deal will be made. i'm elizabeth reporting. >> the
violating his no new tax pledge will be targeted at the primary level by tea party members. i'm taking this masterful behind-the-scenes player at his word that he controls almost all the republicans. because almost all of them signed his oath. so a deal could be tough. plus i'm now calling for no vacation without legislation. no vacation without legislation. because the holidays are slated to begin in a couple of weeks. which doesn't give enough time to get the job done. so you have one side that ins t insisting on tax increases, and then you have the other side which has pledged no tax increases which assure those deal can occur. after all, even if the president offered heavy-duty spending cuts like he did during the debt ceiling fight, the republicans can't compromise because of their blood oath in norquist. they aren't allowed to and the president's bottom line seems to have hardened. doesn't it seem to you like he thinks that the wealthy and those who own stocks are exactly the same? now as far as the public not knowing what awaits us, we've got a whole new school springing up as
which have stalled on discussions over taxes. and singapore airlines confirms it's in talks to sell its stake in virgin atlantic. delta is amongst the frontrunners. comes around quickly. december, we're already here. not long before christmas and we have the november final pmis out of the eurozone confirmed at 46.2. that was the flash, 45.4 was october. so slightly higher. the highest since march. but 46 still deep in contraction territory. output numbers, 46.1. so that's going in the right direction. and the final manufacturing pmi export orders 46.4. again, a tick higher than the 45.9 flash, the highest since march. so the contraction activity easing to an eight month low if you can explain away like that. euro-dollar 1.3026. we did gets a high as 1.3048 which would have been a six week high for euro-dollar. joining us for more is alan capp, head of credit straebtegyt lloyds. alan, let's get your reaction. the number is going in the right direction. does it make much of a difference? >> right now the equity markets have had a great run. they're looking a bit overstretched. so i'm stru
fights over taxes and spending, it dominates the headlines and we are getting a report on the potential climate deal that could have an impact on our economy. talks are going on about a climate treaty that could supersede current u.s. laws in some ways and impose mandatory limits on carbon emissions. president obama failed to get a cap-and-trade will pass in his first term. is he quietly planning a new carbon crackdown through other means? joining me now is lou dobbs, host of "lou dobbs tonight" on the fox business network. that was one agenda item he could not get through. cap and trade. even when the democrats controlled the house as well, they just couldn't get that through. what would he be doing through the united nations and he could do through the u.s. congress? lou: the efforts that he is undertaking here, so little is known about what we are discussing in qatar, at the meeting of the united nations we are talking about laying out a mission schedule through 2035. without any public discussion, there is nothing about it than a presidential debate, as you know. this could have a m
cliff. the across-the-board spending cuts and sharp tax increases that hit in just 29 days. let's get straight to our senior congressional correspondent dana bash. she's watching what's going on. dana, the tax rates, first of all, let's get to a major sticking point right now. there's been a counterproposal from house republicans to the white house. you have details. >> reporter: that's right. let's start exactly where you just began on those tax rates because that has become the big divide between the two sides. the answer is the house republicans are not budging. they still want to continue the bush era tax rates at all income levels. let's get specific. first of all, the counterproposal, they say they would get about $800 billion in savings from what they call tax reform, from deductions and closing loopholes, things like that. but the bush era tax rates, all of them would remain, even for the wealthiest. to show you the difference, compared to the white house offer that they got last week, $1.6 trillion in savings when it comes to tax revenue. but much of that came from raising ta
for $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that includes letting the bush era tax cuts expire for those earning more than $250,000 a year. it's also pushing for a new $50 billion stimulus package and offering $400 billion in new cuts to medicare and other entitlement programs. but republican house speaker john boehner flatly rejected the plan on the table and what he calls the white house's unwillingness to compromise. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him, i said, you can't be serious. i've never seen anything like it. you know, we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> you know, i think right now the best thing to do is for them to come to us and say, look, here's what we think makes sense. we've told them what we think makes sense. what we can't do is try to figure out what's going to be good for them. they have to come tell us. >> house minority leader and democrat nancy pelosi also jumping into the fray. she's renewed threats to bring a middle income tax cut bill to the house floor if boehner refus
the most of your plan. only on verizon. ♪ ♪ >> eric: 29 days until taxes jump and spending on everything from defense, medicare and farm suddies are slashed. geithner and bane spinning away on the sunday talk circuit. i'd roll the video but we prefer you stay awake for the segment. listen to rush limbaugh shed some light. >> why would he want to go over the cliff? what happens when we go over the cliff? democrat orgasm happens. taxes go up for everybody. nirvana to these people. >> eric: i will disagree with rush. it's good for the g.o.p. to call obama's bluff. one or two results will follow us over the cliff. we go back to recession. that will hurt but the economy will roar back. maybe, just maybe, zombies for obama will realize he has no clue when it comes to the economy. or we don't double dip to the recession. and the debt dissolves to pay the way for the 2016 conservatives. take your chance and take medicine now. over the long run, better for >> kimberly: call his bluff. be strong at the negotiating table to make sure you can do what is best in interest of the country. these are tou
out their fiscal cliff counteroffer to the white house. includes $800 billion in new tax revenue. that is roughly half what the president was aiming for. 300 billion in discretionary spending cuts. 900 billion in mandatory spending cuts. now the white house responding just moments ago saying quote, the republican letter released today does not meet the test of balance. they don't like it. i'm joined by dan mitch chill from the cato institute for more on this. dan what do you think. these are a lot of things to occur just in the past few hours. do you feel like there is progress being made? >> there is progress but progress in the wrong direction. the number one thing to understand already even if all the tax cuts were made permanent, tax revenues projected to grow by 6.2% a year. so what they're really debating about how much should it grow even faster than that in order to enable bigger government. 100% of our fiscal problem is on the spending side. obama is being very inflexible on that. republicans i'm afraid will get taken to the cleaners just what happened in 1990 when read
on extending middle class tax cuts and nothing more by simply voting present. what have you heard and what's the likelihood that would happen? >> well, i think it's still -- it's sort of the formative stage, and it's not clear when it's going to happen. to me it reflects what is a clear rereality, which is that e status quo favors the democrats and the republicans are finding a way to deal with this. democrats have the upper hand in the default scenario, and republicans, i think, know it's a loser for them to hold middle class tax cuts hostage essentially in the name of keeping taxes low on upper income earners. this is a way to try to muddle through it without being seen to hold up middle class tax cuts, which is a big political loser for them. >> hold on for a second. house republicans released their counteroffer to avert the fiscal cliff. now it's really a fiscal fiesta. since it's a party we called in luke russert who emerged from a briefing. what's on the table? >> reporter: good afternoon, toure. big news here on capitol hill. we talked about being in a stalemate recently in terms of
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